God and Beelzebub’s Tales

 Dedicated to all the theists out there, like myself.

 God is at THE SUMMIT of the teaching Mr. Gurdjieff brought to us in Beelzebub’s Tales, as it must be because everything comes from God.

Those who claim that the teaching Mr. Gurdjieff brought to us comes from his neurons firing at random in what might be described as a Gaussian probability density function, have absolutely no feeling for the living teaching. They better check the state of their Hanbledzoin or the cosmic substance connecting the thinking center and the feeling center.

God is not an abstraction in Beelzebub’s Tales nor He is the mathematical point of philosophers of logic. God is a Reality and a three-brained Being Who is the Being of beings, as the members of the Society-Akhaldan in Atlantis well understood. Later in the narrative, we see how the Most Saintly Ashiata Shiemash introduces God in a formulation that is unique to the teaching of Mr. Gurdjieff (p. 368):

Only-he-will-be-called-and-will-become-the-Son-of-God-who-acquire-in-himself-Conscience.”

Ashiata Shiemash then explains that Conscience is the REPRESENTATIV OF THE CREATOR (all in upper-case letter, mind you) in us all three brained-beings of the whole Universe. Here we see the connection between God and CREATOR. And then we can understand why atheists who claim they follow the teaching of Mr. Gurdjieff put so much emphasis on states of consciousness and make almost no reference to Conscience.

Many are the names used for God in Beelzebub’s Tales and among them we have COMMON FATHER; COMMON FATHER CREATOR; ALL-MOST GRACIOUS CREATOR ENDLESSNESS; ALMIGHTY OMNI-LOVING COMMON FATHER UNIBEING CREATOR ENDLESSNESS; ALL-LOVING, ENDLESSLY-MERCIFUL AND ABSOLUTELY-JUST CREATOR-ENDLESSNESS. Again, all these names are in upper-case letter

All this should not surprise us at all. In the Bible (Old Testament and New Testament) many are the names used for God. Here are few of them: JEHOVAH; EL; ELOHIM; EL SHADDAI; ADONAI; SHEPHERD; JUDGE; ABIR; EL ROI; YESHUA; THEOTES; THEOS; ALMIGHTY; HIGHEST and many others

The teaching that Mr. Gurdjieff brought to us in his Legominism All and Everything and very particularly in Beelzebub’s Tales is not an atheistic teaching. In fact, the atheistic teachings introduced in Babylon by the “learned beings of new formation” trying to find the solution to the question of the beyond, this atheistic teaching is objectively and impartially criticized in Beelzebub’s Tales. It is very specifically said in this criticism that “in this teaching by terrestrial Hasnamussian candidates of that time, it was stated that there is no God in the world…”(p. 343), as atheism does until these days.

In Beelzebub’s Tales God is also called the Megalocosmos to indicate the Wholeness of God. Many people have taken this statement as a proof that the teaching of Mr. Gurdjieff is pantheistic in nature. This is a mistake if one considers that Mr Gurdjieff was very adamant to indicate the existence of God outside of us. In his monologue on the edge of the Gobi desert he spoke of a God Who is God of his outer world and in War Meetings he categorically said concerning God:

“No one has seen Him, for the law of contacts is strict.”

If no one has seen Him is because He exits separate from us. Not possibility of pantheism here.

Not only GOD is ALL-LOVING, ENDLESSLY-MERCIFUL AND ABSOLUTELY-JUST CREATOR-ENDLESSNESS but HE is also ALL-MOST GRACIOUS CREATOR ENDLESSNESS. HE is the only one Who forgives sins and grants pardons. In the allegory of Beelzebub’s Tales it is OUR ENDLESSNESS Who grants the second and final pardon to Beelzebub. And HE does it through the intervention of Ashiata Shiemash for some favor Beelzebub did for Ashiata.

But maybe the final proof of the theistic nature of the teaching of Mr. Gurdjieff is the many prayers and personal commandments issuing from our COMMON FATHER (p. 198) and specifically issued to us people from the “Prime-Source-of-Everything-Exiting” (p. 1236), we find in Beelzebub’s Tales and that are not found in In Search of the Miraculous. Of course, the most beautiful and complete of the many prayers is the Hymn to our ENDLESSNESS found in the last chapter of the narrative of Beelzebub’s Tales, on page 1174 of the Book to be more precise.

The teaching Mr. Gurdjieff brought to us is theistic and it is such in the most specific sense of this word, that is to say, as a doctrine concerning the nature of a monotheistic God in His relationship to the Universe.

Of course, one may dismiss all this as part of the fluff (as some people here in Fourth Way LA have hinted) of the teaching and that one has to throw out. But then one will have to content with the fact that Mr. Gurdjieff himself asked to be given his final burial rituals under the Blessings of the Russian Orthodox Church.

Will Mesa,

A Full Theist

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15 Responses to God and Beelzebub’s Tales

  1. Dear Will,
    You certainly follow your own Gnosis. Followed to the end will release you from the bondage we all suffer at the hands of great nature. The greater and lesser freedoms. I see you and love you because you are you, and for no other reason. Just take care not to “Don Quixote” yourself. It should not matter that there are other books that contain gold. You have found gold for yourself.

    • willmesa says:

      Thanks Richard. Don Juan told Carlos that the important thing is that your path has a heart. My path certainly has had a heart and I am aware the yours too has had a heart. This is what it means to be fellow travelers on the road.

  2. Roland Lindgren says:

    “God is a Reality and a three-brained Being Who is the Being of beings, as the members of the Society-Akhaldan in Atlantis well understood.”

    I like that Will. As it says in the Holy Bible in the first Book of Moses Genesis: “Let us create man in our Image and after our Likeness”.

    • willmesa says:

      Yes, Roland, it very comforting to know that God is a Reality and three-brained being like us, only in in much much higher scale. We are not alone and we have to work for Him and for His Plan of Creation. Thanks for your comments.

      • willmesa says:

        Yes, according to Mr. Gurdjieff the teaching of the Divine Teacher Jesus Christ has been and stil is the best teaching given by a genuine Messenger Sent From Above. With Jesus Christ thare is no death. Regard. Will

  3. lvanlaer says:

    This is an unavoidable fact.

    • jonedae says:

      I would like to point out, if I might, that them person who wrote ” teaching Mr. Gurdjieff brought to us comes from his neurons firing at random in what might be described as a Gaussian probability density function”, from Will’s paraphrasing of it, would be criticized by those in AI and the cognitive science, etc. For example, compare Mr. John Searles’ work and writing on that subject. No branch of science can say for sure what thoughts really are; and this is aside from the fact that most of what they call ‘thinking’ really isn’t. More to the point, the cannot say how, what is given so many inaccurate names, such as subjective sense, subjective reality, experience, arises from the activity of neurons… and in fact, can’t even really get close to it.
      My point here, is that, when we preach to people about, you know, Gurdjieff said this, or Beelzebub said that, they really don’t get it, at all.
      However, that is not what they think. They think, that what they ‘know’ is right, and so on, all the usual stuff you get in reply. For instance, what they talk about and ‘know’, is just them repeating what others have said to them, or what they have written. Or, if they have given it a moment more, then they might paraphrase what others have said, which makes them seem a little more intelligent, and more self-satisfied, and so on.
      That’s why teachers start by destroying their Ego, False-I, etc. Of course, most people can only handle small amounts of that, and you have to go slowly. Awakening people, which I have seen the results of firsthand many times, can be frightening, for them and for the teacher. Yes, it is the success of their EGO that such science writers are concerned about, and not really, discovering how thoughts arise from neural activity.
      So, those people are normal, and we are the weirdos; we have to face that. And they can never change, and be reborn, until their old self is destroyed. Everything they are and everything they have, will be brought against you when you try to do that, or direct it, or guide it, and so on. Look at what happened on WITW for a typical example. All just untransformed folks at the city level; and they failed Dr. Dae’s test.
      Just as Gurdjieff was not the first genuine teacher, and just as Gurdjieff was not the first sacred messenger sent from above, so also was he not the last of either of those. This must always be borne in mind by all of us. Who is working today, that is “a higher ‘man’ number” ? Well, adn you and me should hope that we could recognize him or her when we meet them.
      Anyway, and so the person who attempted to describe the arising of thoughts in neurological or scientific terms (not Will, of course, the man he was paraphrasing) would find many arguments from who own world, his own area; consider the work and writings of Francisco Varela, for example.
      And yes, if is good for us to still study and read, including science, even though the powerful dominance of technology and money has turned modern science into little more than a circus.
      And it is useful to be studied in disciplines and subjects which bear on Work Ideas, as well as vice-versa. It is people from those disciplines who criticize The Work, albeit from the outside, and are Sure That They Are Right. As Nicoll pointed out, all men are like that; and that highly intelligent human, who said this-an-that, and so on, was still looking for a victory for Mr. Ego, in his writings, his words, his works; but Joe Six-Pack in the bar after work, is equally Sure That He Is Right, sure of it, and equally prepared to argue the point with you, sir.
      When they argue, that’s the tip-off… I used to point that out to folks on WITW, in different language, and what was their response? Of course, they argued some more…
      So, if you want to start helping someone in that way, it is very useful for you to be learned in their disciplines. Then, you can show them that they are wrong, from within their own subject areas. By definition, no human learns until they are wrong, are in the wrong, and see that. Furthermore, thanks to Mr. G’s great labors, we know that, for example, we don’t know who and what we are. That is the critical thing to bring others to see, first: that they haven’t the faintest idea who and what they are, and need to see that. So, all their old, typical garbage must be destroyed first, BEFORE they can awaken, or be awakened. Mr. G. set out to do just that, with he All & Everything Series; and if we love him, we should emulate him, IMHO. Not in style, appearance, or manners, but emulating his methods and knowing why, yes? You don’t convince me you’re in The Work by shaving your head or speaking Russian or something; but you do convince me when you love me more than you do yourself. (Being partkdolduty.)
      Jone

  4. “‘Yes . . . my dear friend,if only the teaching of the Divine Jesus Christ were carried out in full conformity with its original,then the religion unprecedentedly wisely founded on it would not only be the best of all existing religions,but even of all religions which may arise and exist in the future.
    (All and Everything, “Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson” 1950 authorized edition,p. 1009)
    Another “prophetic”statement by Gurdjieff1:

    Matthew 17:1-13
      Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led thereupon a high mountain by themselves;  and He was transfigured before them. His face did shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.  And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”  While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!”  And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid.  But Jesus came and touched them and said, “Arise, and do not be afraid.”  When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.  Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them,saying, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.”  And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”  Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things.  But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.”  Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.

    The Philokalia (ancient Greek Orthodox manuscripts from early church fathers), has this to say about that awesome event.

    “ Jesus Christ was transfigured at the Mount of Transfiguration, not by the addition of something, He was not, nor by the transformation into something He was not, but by the manifestation to His disciples of what He really was. He opened their eyes so that instead of being blind they could see. While He Himself remained the same, they could now see Him as other than He appeared to them formerly. For He is the “true” light (John 1:9), the beauty of divine glory, and He shone forth like the sun-though His image is imperfect, since what is created cannot be imaged in creation without some diminution.
    FROM “THE PHILOKALIA”

    “I advise you,my dear Hassein,not to put such questions to yourself yet. Do not be impatient. Only when that period of your existence arrives which is proper for your becoming aware of such essence-questions,and you actively mentate about them,will you understand what you must do in return.
    “Your present age does not yet oblige you to pay for your existence. The time of your present age is not given you in which to pay for your existence,but for preparing yourself for the future,for the obligations becoming to a responsible three-brained being.
    “So in the meantime,exist as you exist. Only do not forget one thing,namely,at your age it is indispensably necessary that every day,at sunrise,while watching the reflection of its splendor,you bring about a contact between your consciousness and the various unconscious parts of your general presence. Try to make this state last and to convince the unconscious parts—as if they were conscious—that if they hinder your general functioning,they,in the period of your responsible age,not only cannot fulfill the good that befits them,but your general presence of which they are part will not be able to be a good servant of our COMMON ENDLESS CREATOR and by that will not even be worthy to pay for your arising and existence.”
    (All and Everything “Beelzebub’s Tales” ,pp. 77-78)

  5. So fgellow Gurdjieffians…time to get down…get down to the basics…

    Gurdjieff says (for those that truly follow his sage (luminous), advice and who are truly dedicated to the full majesty of being (“Awakened”) ” Only do not forget one thing,namely,at your age it is indispensably necessary that every day,at sunrise,while watching the reflection of its splendor,you bring about a contact between your consciousness and the various unconscious parts of your general presence. Try to make this state last and to convince the unconscious parts—as if they were conscious—that if they hinder your general functioning,they,in the period of your responsible age,not only cannot fulfill the good that befits them,but your general presence of which they are part will not be able to be a good servant of our COMMON ENDLESS CREATOR and by that will not even be worthy to pay for your arising and existence.”
    (All and Everything “Beelzebub’s Tales” ,pp. 77-78)

    every day at sunrise…watch its (His) splendor…
    This post is dedicated to Will Mesa, one of the few that truly love God HIS MOST HOLY ENDLESSNESS and/or THE MOST HOLY SUN ABSOLUTE… Uncompremisingly and with great GUSTO and sublime humor, with a solid pinch of SHE…WISDOM…SOPHIA

  6. Kent L. Sabata says:

    Like a man which is a cell to the function of the earth. The earth that rotates around our sun. The sun that is the function who circles the dog star. The dog star that rotates around the milky way. The milky way revolves around its sun and that sun is a function of the absolute. The universe is like matryoshka doll. Each intelligence higher then the next.

    I always thought to experience God self-remember but to see God transform self-remembering.

    And sometimes I thought there is only one God but there are many Gods below him.

    • willmesa says:

      Thanks Kent for your very interesting thoughts. I am going to quote them in the Gurdjieff website Fourth Way LA in which I am very active. Are you a member of that group? I hope you do not mind. Thanks again. Will Mesa

      • Kent Sabata says:

        Dear Will,

        I don’t mind you using whatever I write, you could even paraphrase if you like. It is not like the ideas belong to me.

        Im am not apart of the fourth way La or for that matter any organization. I been in the work for over twenty years and have been associated with many different fourth way organizations but up until 3 or 4 years ago I have grown very unsatisfied with all of them.

        My thinking is that all the groups in this work at least all the genuine groups can only lead an individual to a certain point. I believe it is not really anyone fault because it would seem that all the students of Mr. Gurdjieff wrote only to a certain point of development. Ouspensky work is invaluable and since one can only express to ones level of being and to ones experience, his work stops at the door so-to-say and no other individual has wrote about how one opens the door and walks through. Thats not to say that he did not walk through that door but I believe it was only at the nearness to his death that it happened so he never did write about it.

        The only one I believed has this knowledge that I seek is Mr. Gurdjieff himself. Through other resource I did find the missing key at least in my verifications but within the fourth way material I cannot substantiate it. I have now, only in the past couple of days formulated that it is within Beelzebub tales. I have always thought that Gurdjieff had this key, he had to for he went through that door and he went through it at an early enough time that he could formulated its way. The only problem was that his students never got to the point he could express it directly to one of them. Thats why I believe he wrote his books. He knew he could not pass the knowledge to anyone of his students because no one had the being to experience it. Hence beelzubub tales.

        Also this would account for the present stall in the work. It has only reached us in partial form. Only to the door.

        I have set myself the aim to decipher chapter by chapter beelzbub tales. Reading each chapter one at a time and reading each individual chapter three times, them extracting what I can in hopes to find substantiating evidence of how one walks through this door.

        This aim has lead me to your blog and your writings.

        From time to time I hope you do not mind if I leave comments in your blogs.

        Kent On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Gospel According to Beelzebub wrote:

        > ** > willmesa commented: “Thanks Kent for your very interesting thoughts. I > am going to quote them in the Gurdjieff website Fourth Way LA in which I am > very active. Are you a member of that group? I hope you do not mind. Thanks > again. Will Mesa”

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